On this episode of Breaking Banks, host Brett King is joined by fintech blogger Dave Birch to talk about “Cardmageddon,” or the moment when other types of payment will eclipse paying with cards.

The two are joined this week by Jordan Lampe, Communications Director of Dwolla (who makes an announcement during the podcast, but why ruin the surprise), as well as Faisal Kahn, Rafael Otero, and payments expert Brian Roemmele.